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Sat Apr 5 17:43:15 CDT 2008

I know there may be another problem here, but posting to multiple lists 
at the same time is called cross posting, and it's usually frowned upon. 
I'm not saying people should never cross post, but they should be 
judicious in when they choose to cross post or not. An urgent or 
important informational message for example, I think is fair to cross 
post. A question for help though, I think is more appropriate to try one 
list and then another if you don't get the help you need on the first go 
around.

Jonathan Mosen wrote:
> Hi all, I think the problem with some messages appearing to be duplicates
> stems from the fact that some people post questions to both the Talks list
> and this list in the same message. Depending on how your rules are set up,
> this could mean that you see two copies of each message in both your
> BlindPhones folder and talks folder. And of course if you don't have
> folders, you'll simply see them twice in your inbox.
>
> Jonathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Simon
> Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 11:17 p.m.
> To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Orb
>
> Thanks, It seems to have stopped now. I'm startting to wonder if I've picked
> up two copies from the pop server during the day.
>  Oh well, I'll see what it's like tomorrow.
>
> simon 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Annette
> Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 9:34 p.m.
> To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Orb
>
> It is happening to me on some messages, but not all, and it is happening on
> both lists.
>
> Annette
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Simon
> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:39 AM
> To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Orb
>
> Hi list , especially jonathon
>
> I seem to be getting double messages from this list. Is anyone else getting
> this happening If so is it a list issue jonathon, or is it my email system
> playing up.
>
>  simon 
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
> Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 11:11 a.m.
> To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
> Subject: RE: Orb
>
>  Hi Lala, At the CSUN conference in LA recently, I did a presentation on
> beyond the basics of PAC Mate. One of the products I featured and
> demonstrated during that presentation was Orb. I will be posting a recording
> of that presentation sometime soon, probably this month or next, in an
> edition of Freedom Scientific's Podcast, FSCast, which I produce and host.
> So you may like to look for that.
>
> But anyway... Orb can be found at http://www.orb.com. What they offer, is a
> free piece of software. Orb allows you to play media and view other content
> on your home PC, from anywhere in the world and on a wide range of devices.
>
> You download this software, and install it on the computer in your home on
> which your multimedia content lives. For example, in our house, we have a
> Windows Media Center, which is at the heart of our home entertainment. On
> that machine, there is around 400-500 gigs of music, movies, radio shows
> etc, as well as the material we record off TV. So it is on this PC that I
> have Orb installed.
>
> When I first installed Orb, I had to configure it, which requires a wee bit
> of work with the JAWS cursor but nothing too complex at all. I told Orb
> which folders I wanted it to monitor for new media etc. It also detected
> that the media Center PC had a TV tuner card, and walked me through the
> process of configuring the channels and naming them. This means that I can
> stream my local TV channels from anywhere. If you are in the US, and some
> other countries too I believe, they will also get you hooked up with a
> programme guide for local TV, so you can see what's on and record your
> favourite shows through Orb, assuming of course that you have a TV Tuner
> card. If you don't, then Orb will just skip this part of the set-up.
>
> Orb will build a database of all your music and then you can log on from any
> web browser and search for artists, songs and genres, easily build a
> playlist, and play your music anywhere.
>
> The cool thing is that it can offer this content to you in a variety of
> formats. For example, on my PAC Mate, I can stream in Windows Media Player.
> This would also apply to any other true Windows mobile device of course. On
> my N82, and it's nice to say I can now get into Orb on the N82 thanks to the
> Talks update just released, I have it streaming in Real Media or can choose
> from a range of other formats.
>
> Orb has a very comprehensive Internet Radio Guide, which is searchable and
> offers a good range of stations. And the nice thing is, it doesn't matter
> what format the station is originally in, Orb will send you the stream in
> the format you have selected for the device you are using at that time.
>
> Further, if you add a folder to Orb's database containing, say, Windows
> Media Playlist files pointing to streams, then Orb will transcode these too,
> allowing you to do Windows Media on Symbian devices. Conversely, if you are
> running Windows Mobile and don't have a RealPlayer installed, Orb can take
> care of that too.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Jonathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of LaBrentha Coles
> Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 11:36 a.m.
> To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Orb
>
> Hi Jonathan,
> Thanks for responding so quickly.
> I know nothing about Orb, so please start from the beginning.
> .  If you think the info might be too elementary for the list, feel free to
> send to lamaco at cox.net.
> Thanks loads.
>
> Lala
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonathan Mosen" <jmosen at mosen.org>
> To: "'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'" 
> <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 4:32 PM
> Subject: RE: Orb
>
>
>   
>> Hi Lala, I changed the subject line, since I was very naughty and 
>> didn't change it yesterday.
>>
>> Before I answer your question, how much do you know about Orb? Should 
>> I start from the very beginning?
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
>> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of LaBrentha 
>> Coles
>> Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 10:23 a.m.
>> To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Nokia 6620
>>
>> Hello Jonathan,
>> Please explain more about Orb.
>> I'd very much like to be able to hear Windows Media streams on my N95-3.
>> Might I be able to use Orb as a transcoder?
>> If so, how is that done?
>>
>> Lala
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jonathan Mosen" <jmosen at mosen.org>
>> To: "'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'"
>> <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:56 PM
>> Subject: RE: Nokia 6620
>>
>>
>>     
>>> Hi Aman, thanks as always for your very reasoned and objective response.
>>>
>>> The phone in question that would not output the speech to the 
>>> Smartlink was the HTC S630. I bought this one because it offered 3G 
>>> in New Zealand, and had very good specs.
>>>
>>> I can confirm that, at least in my experience, there is no Nokia 
>>> phone that charges from the USB port when you are synchronising or 
>>> have the device connected for any purpose. However, it's possible to 
>>> charge a Nokia by running a cable from the power socket to the USB 
>>> port, which served my needs OK.
>>>
>>> You mentioned that you are willing to put up with poorer battery life 
>>> because of the increased capability of WM phones. I would be 
>>> interested to hear what you perceive the increased capability to be?
>>> The only annoyance I have with the N82 is that it won't stream 
>>> Windows Media streams, but Orb as a transcoder can get around that 
>>> one.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your view that the Windows Mobile devices crash a lot 
>>> more, I think there can be little doubt of this. For me personally, 
>>> this is the clincher. I don't want to be waiting for a call, only to 
>>> find that I missed it because of a crash.
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
>>> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Aman 
>>> Singer
>>> Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 11:46 a.m.
>>> To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
>>> Subject: RE: Nokia 6620
>>>
>>> Hi, Jonathan.
>>> It's precisely as you say, this is one of those OS debates, but allow 
>>> me, if I may, to stick my nose into this one. After all, even an OS 
>>> debate can, at times, be interesting.
>>> I'm particularly interested because I use a smartlink myself and find 
>>> it works perfectly with all the Windows Mobile phones I've used it 
>>> with. These are the T-Mobile dash, HTC s720, HTC wizard, and HP HW 6955.
>>> I'm
>>> not sure which phone you used this unit with, I do remember your 
>>> posts about it but don't remember the model in question, but I have, 
>>> as I said, used it on four WM phones without trouble. I have also 
>>> used it, for demo purposes, on several Symbian phones without 
>>> difficulty and generally have found that it is a very well-behaved 
>>> Bluetooth device and that most phones support it quite nicely.
>>> I'd also mention, for anyone who doesn't want to buy the smartlink, 
>>> which is, IMHO, quite expensive, that there are two or three 
>>> Bluetooth neck loops/silhouettes for hearing aids. I've only tried 
>>> one, the Artone Bluetooth loop, needing, as I did, my Smartlink for 
>>> other uses, but that too has worked well with all phones.
>>> Finally, I find that, though the battery life on WM devices is 
>>> sometimes slightly less than that on Symbian phones, this isn't 
>>> significant given the increased capability of the WM phones and their 
>>> ability to charge from a USB port, which the Symbian phones I've used 
>>> don't seem to have.
>>> Finally, I have found that the WM phones most certainly crash more 
>>> than the Symbian phones do. I should say, though, that I don't say 
>>> that Symbian is in any way bad. It's a matter of preference, IMHO, 
>>> what is to be used.
>>> Having
>>> used both, I appreciate a good many things about each device type.
>>> Aman
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
>>> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan 
>>> Mosen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:53 PM
>>> To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
>>> Subject: RE: Nokia 6620
>>>
>>> Hi Isaac, well now, you'll get a variety of opinions on that 
>>> question. My opinion is worth what you paid for it, but here you go.
>>>
>>> I really like my Windows Mobile-based PAC Mate for writing documents 
>>> and running a whole bunch of cool programmes, but I have never 
>>> particularly liked Windows Mobile-based phones. It would take a lot 
>>> to convince me ever to buy one again. They don't sound as good to me, 
>>> and they lock up too much.
>>> Others will have a different view. It's just another operating system 
>>> debate and you'll have proponents of either. I will say though that 
>>> the main reason why I got rid of my last Windows Mobile phone was 
>>> that I couldn't get speech to go through my Phonak Smartlink, which 
>>> is Bluetooth capable. That, and the lock ups and the absolutely 
>>> abysmal battery life.
>>>
>>> For me, you can't go past Symbian on phones for stability, sound 
>>> quality, and awesome hardware.
>>>
>>> Jonathan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
>>> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of isaac 
>>> obie
>>> Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 9:46 a.m.
>>> To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Nokia 6620
>>>
>>> Jonathan,
>>> Excellent points. Not only do I hear the music when the phone boots 
>>> p, but
>>>       
>>> I
>>> can feel it as well. It's just that this is my first real experience 
>>> with a phone. I've seen them, touched them, but not really done 
>>> anything with them.
>>>
>>> I wish it would pla some music when shutting down as well. More than 
>>> a one second jingle. But the loop setting is a great idea. I never 
>>> thought of that. that setting sometimes let me know people have left 
>>> the monitor on on the computer. Do you think I might do better with 
>>> the I-Mate sp5m phone?
>>> thanks.
>>> Isaac
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jonathan Mosen" <jmosen at mosen.org>
>>> To: "'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'"
>>> <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:59 AM
>>> Subject: RE: Nokia 6620
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Hi Isaac, the phone will take a few seconds to boot up. The 6620 is 
>>>> a smart phone, so it is in fact a computer.
>>>>
>>>> It's been a while since I've seen one but I would estimate you'd 
>>>> have to wait a good 15 seconds at least. The phone should then play 
>>>> the Nokia start-up sound which you may or may not be able to hear.
>>>> One trick I find quite useful, given that you wear hearing aids, is 
>>>> to put your hearing aids onto the loop setting. If the phone is on, 
>>>> you should definitely be able to detect some electromagnetic 
>>>> activity from the phone to tell you that it's on.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
>>>> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of isaac 
>>>> obie
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 3:52 a.m.
>>>> To: blindphones
>>>> Subject: Nokia 6620
>>>>
>>>> Hi all:
>>>> Why does it take so long for the phone to come on once you press the 
>>>> button?
>>>> It acts like a windows 98 computer, slow as molasses climbing a hill 
>>>> in the middle of winter. I can't tell if it's on or off at times.
>>>> that button seems to be worn out. You have to press it so hard for 
>>>> so
>>>>         
> long.
>   
>>>> I don't think I am going to like this phone much. Are they all 
>>>> stubborn like this?
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Isaac
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