duplicate messages
Simon
simon at blinky-net.com
Fri Apr 4 22:00:43 CDT 2008
Hi james, no I have a nz ISP and a totally separit mail provider, not
dreamhost.
-----Original Message-----
From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
[mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of James Scholes
Sent: Saturday, 5 April 2008 9:45 a.m.
To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
Subject: Re: duplicate messages
Hi Simon, are you with DreamHost? I am, and this happens to me also
sometimes.
It is thought that on Friday, April 04, 2008 10:29 PM, Simon said:
|| Hi jonathon,
||
|| yeah it seems to have fixed itself, I'm wondering if it was a problem
|| with the pop server that caused it to re pop all my mail from the
|| past 24 hours.
|| Anyway it's ok now.
||
|| simon
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan
|| Mosen
|| Sent: Saturday, 5 April 2008 1:36 a.m.
|| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|| Subject: RE: duplicate messages
||
|| Ah Right, then your problem is something different then. It may be
|| your mail server as I haven't received other reports of this.
||
|| Jonathan
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Simon
|| Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 11:31 p.m.
|| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|| Subject: RE: duplicate messages
||
|| But jonathon,
||
|| that doesn't work if you are only a member of one of the lists?
||
|| I'm not a member of the talks list.
||
|| simon
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan
|| Mosen
|| Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 10:24 p.m.
|| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|| Subject: duplicate messages
||
|| Hi all, I think the problem with some messages appearing to be
|| duplicates stems from the fact that some people post questions to
|| both the Talks list and this list in the same message. Depending on
|| how your rules are set up, this could mean that you see two copies of
|| each message in both your BlindPhones folder and talks folder. And of
|| course if you don't have folders, you'll simply see them twice in
|| your inbox.
||
|| Jonathan
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Simon
|| Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 11:17 p.m.
|| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|| Subject: RE: Orb
||
|| Thanks, It seems to have stopped now. I'm startting to wonder if I've
|| picked up two copies from the pop server during the day.
|| Oh well, I'll see what it's like tomorrow.
||
|| simon
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Annette
|| Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 9:34 p.m.
|| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|| Subject: RE: Orb
||
|| It is happening to me on some messages, but not all, and it is
|| happening on both lists.
||
|| Annette
||
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Simon
|| Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:39 AM
|| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|| Subject: RE: Orb
||
|| Hi list , especially jonathon
||
|| I seem to be getting double messages from this list. Is anyone else
|| getting this happening If so is it a list issue jonathon, or is it my
|| email system playing up.
||
|| simon
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan
|| Mosen
|| Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 11:11 a.m.
|| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|| Subject: RE: Orb
||
|| Hi Lala, At the CSUN conference in LA recently, I did a presentation
|| on beyond the basics of PAC Mate. One of the products I featured and
|| demonstrated during that presentation was Orb. I will be posting a
|| recording of that presentation sometime soon, probably this month or
|| next, in an edition of Freedom Scientific's Podcast, FSCast, which I
|| produce and host.
|| So you may like to look for that.
||
|| But anyway... Orb can be found at http://www.orb.com. What they
|| offer, is a free piece of software. Orb allows you to play media and
|| view other content on your home PC, from anywhere in the world and on
|| a wide range of devices.
||
|| You download this software, and install it on the computer in your
|| home on which your multimedia content lives. For example, in our
|| house, we have a Windows Media Center, which is at the heart of our
|| home entertainment. On that machine, there is around 400-500 gigs of
|| music, movies, radio shows etc, as well as the material we record off
|| TV. So it is on this PC that I have Orb installed.
||
|| When I first installed Orb, I had to configure it, which requires a
|| wee bit of work with the JAWS cursor but nothing too complex at all.
|| I told Orb which folders I wanted it to monitor for new media etc. It
|| also detected that the media Center PC had a TV tuner card, and
|| walked me through the process of configuring the channels and naming
|| them. This means that I can stream my local TV channels from
|| anywhere. If you are in the US, and some other countries too I
|| believe, they will also get you hooked up with a programme guide for
|| local TV, so you can see what's on and record your favourite shows
|| through Orb, assuming of course that you have a TV Tuner card. If you
|| don't, then Orb will just skip this part of the set-up.
||
|| Orb will build a database of all your music and then you can log on
|| from any web browser and search for artists, songs and genres, easily
|| build a playlist, and play your music anywhere.
||
|| The cool thing is that it can offer this content to you in a variety
|| of formats. For example, on my PAC Mate, I can stream in Windows
|| Media Player.
|| This would also apply to any other true Windows mobile device of
|| course. On my N82, and it's nice to say I can now get into Orb on the
|| N82 thanks to the Talks update just released, I have it streaming in
|| Real Media or can choose from a range of other formats.
||
|| Orb has a very comprehensive Internet Radio Guide, which is
|| searchable and offers a good range of stations. And the nice thing
|| is, it doesn't matter what format the station is originally in, Orb
|| will send you the stream in the format you have selected for the
|| device you are using at that time.
||
|| Further, if you add a folder to Orb's database containing, say,
|| Windows Media Playlist files pointing to streams, then Orb will
|| transcode these too, allowing you to do Windows Media on Symbian
|| devices. Conversely, if you are running Windows Mobile and don't have
|| a RealPlayer installed, Orb can take care of that too.
||
|| I hope this helps.
||
|| Jonathan
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of
|| LaBrentha Coles
|| Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 11:36 a.m.
|| To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
|| Subject: Re: Orb
||
|| Hi Jonathan,
|| Thanks for responding so quickly.
|| I know nothing about Orb, so please start from the beginning.
|| . If you think the info might be too elementary for the list, feel
|| free to send to lamaco at cox.net.
|| Thanks loads.
||
|| Lala
||
||
|| ----- Original Message -----
|| From: "Jonathan Mosen" <jmosen at mosen.org>
|| To: "'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'"
|| <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
|| Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 4:32 PM
|| Subject: RE: Orb
||
||
||| Hi Lala, I changed the subject line, since I was very naughty and
||| didn't change it yesterday.
|||
||| Before I answer your question, how much do you know about Orb?
||| Should
||| I start from the very beginning?
|||
||| Jonathan
|||
||| -----Original Message-----
||| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
||| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of
||| LaBrentha Coles
||| Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 10:23 a.m.
||| To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
||| Subject: Re: Nokia 6620
|||
||| Hello Jonathan,
||| Please explain more about Orb.
||| I'd very much like to be able to hear Windows Media streams on my
||| N95-3. Might I be able to use Orb as a transcoder?
||| If so, how is that done?
|||
||| Lala
|||
||| ----- Original Message -----
||| From: "Jonathan Mosen" <jmosen at mosen.org>
||| To: "'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'"
||| <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
||| Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:56 PM
||| Subject: RE: Nokia 6620
|||
|||
|||| Hi Aman, thanks as always for your very reasoned and objective
|||| response.
||||
|||| The phone in question that would not output the speech to the
|||| Smartlink was the HTC S630. I bought this one because it offered 3G
|||| in New Zealand, and had very good specs.
||||
|||| I can confirm that, at least in my experience, there is no Nokia
|||| phone that charges from the USB port when you are synchronising or
|||| have the device connected for any purpose. However, it's possible
|||| to charge a Nokia by running a cable from the power socket to the
|||| USB port, which served my needs OK.
||||
|||| You mentioned that you are willing to put up with poorer battery
|||| life because of the increased capability of WM phones. I would be
|||| interested to hear what you perceive the increased capability to
|||| be? The only annoyance I have with the N82 is that it won't stream
|||| Windows Media streams, but Orb as a transcoder can get around that
|||| one.
||||
|||| Thank you for your view that the Windows Mobile devices crash a lot
|||| more, I think there can be little doubt of this. For me personally,
|||| this is the clincher. I don't want to be waiting for a call, only
|||| to find that I missed it because of a crash.
||||
|||| Jonathan
||||
|||| -----Original Message-----
|||| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|||| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Aman
|||| Singer
|||| Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 11:46 a.m.
|||| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|||| Subject: RE: Nokia 6620
||||
|||| Hi, Jonathan.
|||| It's precisely as you say, this is one of those OS debates, but
|||| allow me, if I may, to stick my nose into this one. After all, even
|||| an OS debate can, at times, be interesting.
|||| I'm particularly interested because I use a smartlink myself and
|||| find it works perfectly with all the Windows Mobile phones I've
|||| used it with. These are the T-Mobile dash, HTC s720, HTC wizard,
|||| and HP HW 6955. I'm not sure which phone you used this unit with, I
|||| do remember your posts about it but don't remember the model in
|||| question, but I have, as I said, used it on four WM phones without
|||| trouble. I have also used it, for demo purposes, on several Symbian
|||| phones without difficulty and generally have found that it is a
|||| very well-behaved Bluetooth device and that most phones support it
|||| quite nicely.
|||| I'd also mention, for anyone who doesn't want to buy the smartlink,
|||| which is, IMHO, quite expensive, that there are two or three
|||| Bluetooth neck loops/silhouettes for hearing aids. I've only tried
|||| one, the Artone Bluetooth loop, needing, as I did, my Smartlink for
|||| other uses, but that too has worked well with all phones.
|||| Finally, I find that, though the battery life on WM devices is
|||| sometimes slightly less than that on Symbian phones, this isn't
|||| significant given the increased capability of the WM phones and
|||| their ability to charge from a USB port, which the Symbian phones
|||| I've used don't seem to have.
|||| Finally, I have found that the WM phones most certainly crash more
|||| than the Symbian phones do. I should say, though, that I don't say
|||| that Symbian is in any way bad. It's a matter of preference, IMHO,
|||| what is to be used.
|||| Having
|||| used both, I appreciate a good many things about each device type.
|||| Aman
||||
||||
|||| -----Original Message-----
|||| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|||| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of
|||| Jonathan Mosen
|||| Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:53 PM
|||| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|||| Subject: RE: Nokia 6620
||||
|||| Hi Isaac, well now, you'll get a variety of opinions on that
|||| question. My opinion is worth what you paid for it, but here you
|||| go.
||||
|||| I really like my Windows Mobile-based PAC Mate for writing
|||| documents and running a whole bunch of cool programmes, but I have
|||| never particularly liked Windows Mobile-based phones. It would take
|||| a lot to convince me ever to buy one again. They don't sound as
|||| good to me, and they lock up too much.
|||| Others will have a different view. It's just another operating
|||| system debate and you'll have proponents of either. I will say
|||| though that the main reason why I got rid of my last Windows Mobile
|||| phone was that I couldn't get speech to go through my Phonak
|||| Smartlink, which is Bluetooth capable. That, and the lock ups and
|||| the absolutely abysmal battery life.
||||
|||| For me, you can't go past Symbian on phones for stability, sound
|||| quality, and awesome hardware.
||||
|||| Jonathan
||||
|||| -----Original Message-----
|||| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|||| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of isaac
|||| obie
|||| Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 9:46 a.m.
|||| To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
|||| Subject: Re: Nokia 6620
||||
|||| Jonathan,
|||| Excellent points. Not only do I hear the music when the phone boots
|||| p, but
|||
|||| I
|||| can feel it as well. It's just that this is my first real
|||| experience with a phone. I've seen them, touched them, but not
|||| really done anything with them.
||||
|||| I wish it would pla some music when shutting down as well. More
|||| than a one second jingle. But the loop setting is a great idea. I
|||| never thought of that. that setting sometimes let me know people
|||| have left the monitor on on the computer. Do you think I might do
|||| better with the I-Mate sp5m phone?
|||| thanks.
|||| Isaac
|||| ----- Original Message -----
|||| From: "Jonathan Mosen" <jmosen at mosen.org>
|||| To: "'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'"
|||| <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
|||| Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:59 AM
|||| Subject: RE: Nokia 6620
||||
||||
||||| Hi Isaac, the phone will take a few seconds to boot up. The 6620
||||| is a smart phone, so it is in fact a computer.
|||||
||||| It's been a while since I've seen one but I would estimate you'd
||||| have to wait a good 15 seconds at least. The phone should then
||||| play the Nokia start-up sound which you may or may not be able to
||||| hear. One trick I find quite useful, given that you wear hearing
||||| aids, is to put your hearing aids onto the loop setting. If the
||||| phone is on, you should definitely be able to detect some
||||| electromagnetic activity from the phone to tell you that it's on.
|||||
||||| Jonathan
|||||
||||| -----Original Message-----
||||| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
||||| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of isaac
||||| obie
||||| Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 3:52 a.m.
||||| To: blindphones
||||| Subject: Nokia 6620
|||||
||||| Hi all:
||||| Why does it take so long for the phone to come on once you press
||||| the button?
||||| It acts like a windows 98 computer, slow as molasses climbing a
||||| hill in the middle of winter. I can't tell if it's on or off at
||||| times. that button seems to be worn out. You have to press it so
||||| hard for so
|| long.
||||| I don't think I am going to like this phone much. Are they all
||||| stubborn like this?
||||| Thanks
||||| Isaac
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