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Fri Apr 4 16:44:50 CDT 2008

Hi Simon, are you with DreamHost? I am, and this happens to me also 
sometimes.

It is thought that on Friday, April 04, 2008 10:29 PM, Simon said:
|| Hi jonathon,
||
|| yeah it seems to have fixed itself, I'm wondering if it was a
|| problem with
|| the pop server that caused it to re pop all my mail from the past 24
|| hours.
|| Anyway it's ok  now.
||
|| simon
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of
|| Jonathan Mosen
|| Sent: Saturday, 5 April 2008 1:36 a.m.
|| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|| Subject: RE: duplicate messages
||
|| Ah Right, then your problem is something different then. It may be
|| your mail
|| server as I haven't received other reports of this.
||
|| Jonathan
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Simon
|| Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 11:31 p.m.
|| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|| Subject: RE: duplicate messages
||
|| But jonathon,
||
|| that doesn't work if you are only a member of one of the lists?
||
|| I'm not a member of the talks list.
||
|| simon
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of
|| Jonathan Mosen
|| Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 10:24 p.m.
|| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|| Subject: duplicate messages
||
|| Hi all, I think the problem with some messages appearing to be
|| duplicates
|| stems from the fact that some people post questions to both the
|| Talks list
|| and this list in the same message. Depending on how your rules are
|| set up,
|| this could mean that you see two copies of each message in both your
|| BlindPhones folder and talks folder. And of course if you don't have
|| folders, you'll simply see them twice in your inbox.
||
|| Jonathan
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Simon
|| Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 11:17 p.m.
|| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|| Subject: RE: Orb
||
|| Thanks, It seems to have stopped now. I'm startting to wonder if
|| I've picked
|| up two copies from the pop server during the day.
|| Oh well, I'll see what it's like tomorrow.
||
|| simon
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Annette
|| Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 9:34 p.m.
|| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|| Subject: RE: Orb
||
|| It is happening to me on some messages, but not all, and it is
|| happening on
|| both lists.
||
|| Annette
||
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Simon
|| Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:39 AM
|| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|| Subject: RE: Orb
||
|| Hi list , especially jonathon
||
|| I seem to be getting double messages from this list. Is anyone else
|| getting
|| this happening If so is it a list issue jonathon, or is it my email
|| system
|| playing up.
||
|| simon
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of
|| Jonathan Mosen
|| Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 11:11 a.m.
|| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|| Subject: RE: Orb
||
|| Hi Lala, At the CSUN conference in LA recently, I did a presentation
|| on
|| beyond the basics of PAC Mate. One of the products I featured and
|| demonstrated during that presentation was Orb. I will be posting a
|| recording
|| of that presentation sometime soon, probably this month or next, in
|| an
|| edition of Freedom Scientific's Podcast, FSCast, which I produce and
|| host.
|| So you may like to look for that.
||
|| But anyway... Orb can be found at http://www.orb.com. What they
|| offer, is a
|| free piece of software. Orb allows you to play media and view other
|| content
|| on your home PC, from anywhere in the world and on a wide range of
|| devices.
||
|| You download this software, and install it on the computer in your
|| home on
|| which your multimedia content lives. For example, in our house, we
|| have a
|| Windows Media Center, which is at the heart of our home
|| entertainment. On
|| that machine, there is around 400-500 gigs of music, movies, radio
|| shows
|| etc, as well as the material we record off TV. So it is on this PC
|| that I
|| have Orb installed.
||
|| When I first installed Orb, I had to configure it, which requires a
|| wee bit
|| of work with the JAWS cursor but nothing too complex at all. I told
|| Orb
|| which folders I wanted it to monitor for new media etc. It also
|| detected
|| that the media Center PC had a TV tuner card, and walked me through
|| the
|| process of configuring the channels and naming them. This means that
|| I can
|| stream my local TV channels from anywhere. If you are in the US, and
|| some
|| other countries too I believe, they will also get you hooked up with
|| a
|| programme guide for local TV, so you can see what's on and record
|| your
|| favourite shows through Orb, assuming of course that you have a TV
|| Tuner
|| card. If you don't, then Orb will just skip this part of the set-up.
||
|| Orb will build a database of all your music and then you can log on
|| from any
|| web browser and search for artists, songs and genres, easily build a
|| playlist, and play your music anywhere.
||
|| The cool thing is that it can offer this content to you in a variety
|| of
|| formats. For example, on my PAC Mate, I can stream in Windows Media
|| Player.
|| This would also apply to any other true Windows mobile device of
|| course. On
|| my N82, and it's nice to say I can now get into Orb on the N82
|| thanks to the
|| Talks update just released, I have it streaming in Real Media or can
|| choose
|| from a range of other formats.
||
|| Orb has a very comprehensive Internet Radio Guide, which is
|| searchable and
|| offers a good range of stations. And the nice thing is, it doesn't
|| matter
|| what format the station is originally in, Orb will send you the
|| stream in
|| the format you have selected for the device you are using at that
|| time.
||
|| Further, if you add a folder to Orb's database containing, say,
|| Windows
|| Media Playlist files pointing to streams, then Orb will transcode
|| these too,
|| allowing you to do Windows Media on Symbian devices. Conversely, if
|| you are
|| running Windows Mobile and don't have a RealPlayer installed, Orb
|| can take
|| care of that too.
||
|| I hope this helps.
||
|| Jonathan
||
|| -----Original Message-----
|| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of
|| LaBrentha Coles
|| Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 11:36 a.m.
|| To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
|| Subject: Re: Orb
||
|| Hi Jonathan,
|| Thanks for responding so quickly.
|| I know nothing about Orb, so please start from the beginning.
|| .  If you think the info might be too elementary for the list, feel
|| free to
|| send to lamaco at cox.net.
|| Thanks loads.
||
|| Lala
||
||
|| ----- Original Message -----
|| From: "Jonathan Mosen" <jmosen at mosen.org>
|| To: "'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'"
|| <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
|| Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 4:32 PM
|| Subject: RE: Orb
||
||
||| Hi Lala, I changed the subject line, since I was very naughty and
||| didn't change it yesterday.
|||
||| Before I answer your question, how much do you know about Orb?
||| Should
||| I start from the very beginning?
|||
||| Jonathan
|||
||| -----Original Message-----
||| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
||| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of
||| LaBrentha Coles
||| Sent: Friday, 4 April 2008 10:23 a.m.
||| To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
||| Subject: Re: Nokia 6620
|||
||| Hello Jonathan,
||| Please explain more about Orb.
||| I'd very much like to be able to hear Windows Media streams on my
||| N95-3. Might I be able to use Orb as a transcoder?
||| If so, how is that done?
|||
||| Lala
|||
||| ----- Original Message -----
||| From: "Jonathan Mosen" <jmosen at mosen.org>
||| To: "'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'"
||| <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
||| Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:56 PM
||| Subject: RE: Nokia 6620
|||
|||
|||| Hi Aman, thanks as always for your very reasoned and objective
|||| response.
||||
|||| The phone in question that would not output the speech to the
|||| Smartlink was the HTC S630. I bought this one because it offered 3G
|||| in New Zealand, and had very good specs.
||||
|||| I can confirm that, at least in my experience, there is no Nokia
|||| phone that charges from the USB port when you are synchronising or
|||| have the device connected for any purpose. However, it's possible
|||| to charge a Nokia by running a cable from the power socket to the
|||| USB port, which served my needs OK.
||||
|||| You mentioned that you are willing to put up with poorer battery
|||| life because of the increased capability of WM phones. I would be
|||| interested to hear what you perceive the increased capability to
|||| be? The only annoyance I have with the N82 is that it won't stream
|||| Windows Media streams, but Orb as a transcoder can get around that
|||| one.
||||
|||| Thank you for your view that the Windows Mobile devices crash a lot
|||| more, I think there can be little doubt of this. For me personally,
|||| this is the clincher. I don't want to be waiting for a call, only
|||| to find that I missed it because of a crash.
||||
|||| Jonathan
||||
|||| -----Original Message-----
|||| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|||| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Aman
|||| Singer
|||| Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 11:46 a.m.
|||| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|||| Subject: RE: Nokia 6620
||||
|||| Hi, Jonathan.
|||| It's precisely as you say, this is one of those OS debates, but
|||| allow me, if I may, to stick my nose into this one. After all,
|||| even an OS debate can, at times, be interesting.
|||| I'm particularly interested because I use a smartlink myself and
|||| find it works perfectly with all the Windows Mobile phones I've
|||| used it with. These are the T-Mobile dash, HTC s720, HTC wizard,
|||| and HP HW 6955. I'm
|||| not sure which phone you used this unit with, I do remember your
|||| posts about it but don't remember the model in question, but I
|||| have,
|||| as I said, used it on four WM phones without trouble. I have also
|||| used it, for demo purposes, on several Symbian phones without
|||| difficulty and generally have found that it is a very well-behaved
|||| Bluetooth device and that most phones support it quite nicely.
|||| I'd also mention, for anyone who doesn't want to buy the smartlink,
|||| which is, IMHO, quite expensive, that there are two or three
|||| Bluetooth neck loops/silhouettes for hearing aids. I've only tried
|||| one, the Artone Bluetooth loop, needing, as I did, my Smartlink for
|||| other uses, but that too has worked well with all phones.
|||| Finally, I find that, though the battery life on WM devices is
|||| sometimes slightly less than that on Symbian phones, this isn't
|||| significant given the increased capability of the WM phones and
|||| their ability to charge from a USB port, which the Symbian phones
|||| I've used don't seem to have.
|||| Finally, I have found that the WM phones most certainly crash more
|||| than the Symbian phones do. I should say, though, that I don't say
|||| that Symbian is in any way bad. It's a matter of preference, IMHO,
|||| what is to be used.
|||| Having
|||| used both, I appreciate a good many things about each device type.
|||| Aman
||||
||||
|||| -----Original Message-----
|||| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|||| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of
|||| Jonathan Mosen
|||| Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:53 PM
|||| To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
|||| Subject: RE: Nokia 6620
||||
|||| Hi Isaac, well now, you'll get a variety of opinions on that
|||| question. My opinion is worth what you paid for it, but here you
|||| go.
||||
|||| I really like my Windows Mobile-based PAC Mate for writing
|||| documents and running a whole bunch of cool programmes, but I have
|||| never particularly liked Windows Mobile-based phones. It would
|||| take a lot
|||| to convince me ever to buy one again. They don't sound as good to
|||| me, and they lock up too much.
|||| Others will have a different view. It's just another operating
|||| system debate and you'll have proponents of either. I will say
|||| though that
|||| the main reason why I got rid of my last Windows Mobile phone was
|||| that I couldn't get speech to go through my Phonak Smartlink, which
|||| is Bluetooth capable. That, and the lock ups and the absolutely
|||| abysmal battery life.
||||
|||| For me, you can't go past Symbian on phones for stability, sound
|||| quality, and awesome hardware.
||||
|||| Jonathan
||||
|||| -----Original Message-----
|||| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
|||| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of isaac
|||| obie
|||| Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 9:46 a.m.
|||| To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
|||| Subject: Re: Nokia 6620
||||
|||| Jonathan,
|||| Excellent points. Not only do I hear the music when the phone boots
|||| p, but
|||
|||| I
|||| can feel it as well. It's just that this is my first real
|||| experience with a phone. I've seen them, touched them, but not
|||| really done anything with them.
||||
|||| I wish it would pla some music when shutting down as well. More
|||| than
|||| a one second jingle. But the loop setting is a great idea. I never
|||| thought of that. that setting sometimes let me know people have
|||| left the monitor on on the computer. Do you think I might do
|||| better with
|||| the I-Mate sp5m phone?
|||| thanks.
|||| Isaac
|||| ----- Original Message -----
|||| From: "Jonathan Mosen" <jmosen at mosen.org>
|||| To: "'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'"
|||| <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
|||| Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 11:59 AM
|||| Subject: RE: Nokia 6620
||||
||||
||||| Hi Isaac, the phone will take a few seconds to boot up. The 6620
||||| is a smart phone, so it is in fact a computer.
|||||
||||| It's been a while since I've seen one but I would estimate you'd
||||| have to wait a good 15 seconds at least. The phone should then
||||| play the Nokia start-up sound which you may or may not be able to
||||| hear. One trick I find quite useful, given that you wear hearing
||||| aids, is to put your hearing aids onto the loop setting. If the
||||| phone is on, you should definitely be able to detect some
||||| electromagnetic activity from the phone to tell you that it's on.
|||||
||||| Jonathan
|||||
||||| -----Original Message-----
||||| From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
||||| [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of isaac
||||| obie
||||| Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 3:52 a.m.
||||| To: blindphones
||||| Subject: Nokia 6620
|||||
||||| Hi all:
||||| Why does it take so long for the phone to come on once you press
||||| the button?
||||| It acts like a windows 98 computer, slow as molasses climbing a
||||| hill in the middle of winter. I can't tell if it's on or off at
||||| times. that button seems to be worn out. You have to press it so
||||| hard for so
|| long.
||||| I don't think I am going to like this phone much. Are they all
||||| stubborn like this?
||||| Thanks
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