Nokia 6620

Wed Apr 2 17:24:13 CDT 2008

Hi Roselle, I certainly hope your employer is observing your unprofessional
responses on this list. While of course you are free to share your
experiences, personal insults are not called for and I will remove you from
the list if that's all your capable of.

You write,

>We have many happy WM users on our product lists for MSP and MSS, and they
can give you an opinion about the device and >operating system without being
swayed by their preference for any screen reader product or affiliation with
companies that support other platforms and hardware.

This is, of course, nonsense.  The fact that they are users of Mobile Speak
means that they have a preference for it, unless of course they are unhappy
users wishing to migrate. That of course is fine. People should research
these issues and ask for a range of perspectives. Mine is but one, and I was
very clear about that.

You then write

>Anyway, if you want to subscribe to any of our users lists and get more
informed opinion from actual users who really bothered to learn how to use a
WM device...

Again, this is a childish, unprofessional insult, and given that you sent it
from the Code Factory address, is frankly an absolute disgrace.

I have been an "actual user" as you put it, of two such devices. I will tell
the list the facts, which is that you yourself were unable to resolve the
issue of speech on this particular device not being able to be heard on any
Bluetooth headset device. This was after considerable effort including
registry tweaks, for which I was, and am, grateful. So how does my
dissatisfaction with this limitation, as someone with a hearing impairment
like Isaac has, constitute my inability to learn how to use the device?

How does the fact that I could set an alarm, leave the phone on the bedside
table, and find the alarm would not go off because the phone had locked up
in the night spontaneously, constitute my not learning how to use the
device?

How does the fact that when WiFi was enabled, I would get very very poor
battery life, a problem documented on many forums, constitute me not
learning how to use the device?

I would suggest that you could have shared your positive experiences of
Windows Mobile phones without resorting to such unprofessional conduct. As
it is, you've probably done more in your one message to turn people off Code
Factory than any Symbian user ever could.

So please, if you can't behave yourself like a grown adult, do not post
here.

Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
[mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Roselle
Ambubuyog
Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2008 11:03 a.m.
To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Nokia 6620

Hello Isaac. I think it would be better for you to also subscribe to mailing
lists with blind people actually using and discussing Windows Mobile-based
devices to get a better idea. We have many happy WM users on our product
lists for MSP and MSS, and they can give you an opinion about the device and
operating system without being swayed by their preference for any screen
reader product or affiliation with companies that support other platforms
and hardware. Unfortunately, I've seen a number of blind people put in
little effort in figuring out a WM device and say it doesn't perform as well
as Symbian phones, when I find that I find no such problems with WM
Smartphones and Pocket PC phones that have specs not as good as the wm
devices they have claimed to have tried and judged not to work for them...
And so do other blind people I have spoken to. In fact, I find my WM devices
more stable than my PACMate QX and BX, and they're definitely easier to sell
when you want to upgrade to a new phone compared to a PACMate. And most of
those I know who have a windows Mobile-powered device also chose to upgrade
to another WM device rather than switch to a Symbian phone, which is, I
find, the less common practice. Anyway, if you want to subscribe to any of
our users lists and get more informed opinion from actual users who really
bothered to learn how to use a WM device, go to
http://www.codefactory.es/en/list.asp?id=88
________________________________________
Roselle R. Ambubuyog
Code factory, S.L.
Moving accessibility forward!
Mobile: +63 916 940-0007
E-mail: roselle.ambubuyog at codefactory.es
Website: http://www.codefactory.es

-----Original Message-----
From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
[mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of isaac obie
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 4:49 AM
To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
Subject: Re: Nokia 6620

Well, you know this is the first time I've really dealt with a phone of this

nature. I've seen them, but that's it! I've never turned them on or off. 
What about the I-Mate SP5M? Will that be a better phone all around? Just 
want to know before I invest in one. Thanks.
Isaac
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Stephen Giggar" <sgiggar at sbcglobal.net>
To: "The Accessible Phones Discussion List" <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: Nokia 6620

> No you do not need to continue holding down the power button until you 
> hear the start up sound. You only need to hold down the power button for 
> about 2 seconds.
>
> as far as why the phone takes some time to come up, well first of all, 
> every phone takes a while to get going. In this case, the phone has to 
> load the operating system and then all the drivers it need and then any 
> additional software packages like the screen reader.
>
>
> lastly: this is a very old phone.
>
>
> Produced on a Nokia N73 smart phone using a Symbian based screen reader.
> Signed by: Stephen Giggar
> sgiggar at sbcglobal.net
> Skype: dr-phone.
>
> - original message -
> Subject: Nokia 6620
> From: "isaac obie" <iobie at gis.net>
> Date: 02/04/2008 2:52 PM
>
> Hi all:
> Why does it take so long for the phone to come on once you press the 
> button? It acts like a windows 98 computer, slow as molasses climbing a 
> hill in the middle of winter. I can't tell if it's on or off at times. 
> that button seems to be worn out. You have to press it so hard for so 
> long. I don't think I am going to like this phone much. Are they all 
> stubborn like this?
> Thanks
> Isaac
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