New Phone and Service

[Cy Selfridge]

Oh come on now, you know it takes a lot of money to run a not for profit
organization don't you? (ROFL)
Good God Almighty, even Freedom Scientific is not *that* money hungry. (LOL)
Cy, the ancient Okie... 

-----Original Message-----
From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
[mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Simon
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 1:52 PM
To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
Subject: RE: New Phone and Service

Yeah stephen, I was being sarcastic. 
  There to me is no reason why a bit of software needs to be that costly. 
 But guess, someone needs  limo polished.

their

-----Original Message-----
From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
[mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Giggar
Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2008 9:54 p.m.
To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
Subject: Re: New Phone and Service

Simon

No it think it come down to more greed then anything. Over $1,100 in profit
for each KNFBReader that they sell. I'm basing this on the fact that they
sell it to previous owner of the KNFBReader hardware package for $500. You
can bet that they are still making a profit at that level or they wouldn't
be selling to prior owners at that price.

Signed: Stephen Giggar
sgiggar at sbcglobal.net
Skype: dr-phone.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Simon" <simon at blinky-net.com>
To: "'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'"
<blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 4:24 AM
Subject: RE: New Phone and Service


> that software must be flippen fantastic to be getting that price
>
> Thanks
>
> simon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Giggar
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2008 7:08 a.m.
> To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
> Subject: Re: New Phone and Service
>
> No Simon the $1,600 does not include the phone. That is just the 
> software only! So in either case; You would have to pay $1,600 USD for 
> the Software and then buy the phone. So in case of the N82; That would 
> be a total of about $2,100. Then you have to pay for the screen reader 
> transfer license
on
> top of that or buy the screen reader if you do not already have a 
> phone
that
> you can transfer the license from.
>
> So that could cost you upwards of $2,400 USD if you got a new screen
reader,
> New phone, and the KNFBReader.
>
> Signed: Stephen Giggar
> sgiggar at sbcglobal.net
> Skype: dr-phone.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Simon" <simon at blinky-net.com>
> To: "'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'"
> <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:58 PM
> Subject: RE: New Phone and Service
>
>
>> Not much of a price reduction with the KNFb reader still over 1600
> dollars.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
>> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Amir
> Soleimani
>> Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2008 11:36 p.m.
>> To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: New Phone and Service
>>
>> Also, the upcoming Nokia 6220 Classic which would offer a 5MP camera 
>> with Xenon flash might be added to the list of supported handsets for 
>> KNFB Reader. It would probably be the cheapest KNFB Reader-supported 
>> handset
> with
>> its estimated $300 price tag.
>>
>> Best,\
>> Amir
>> ----------
>> Visit my blog at:
>> http://mobilespace.wordpress.com
>>
>> On 4/1/2008 1:28 PM, Stephen Giggar wrote:
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> The KNFBReader may be nice; But the price is what he didn't give. 
>>> That would cost you $1,600 USD. I think that is asking a lot just 
>>> for the software. Over 5 times the cost of the screen reader if you 
>>> pay for it outright. Over 4 times the cost of WayFinder Access. Over 
>>> 3 times the
> cost
>> of the cell phone. That should give people a idea of how over prices 
>> the KNFBReader is.
>>>
>>> Now to cell phones.
>>> The N82 runs between $473 and up. The N73 I have seen from other web
site
>> running from $299 and up.
>>> The N95-3 (USA 3G) $499 and up. The E51 for about $250 and up. The
>>> N95-4 (USA 3G 8GB) Over $600 and up.
>>>
>>> Really; I think you can do better then the N75 unless you just want 
>>> a
> flip
>> phone.
>>>
>>> Hear is a few other sites you can check out for phones.
>>> Mobile Planet. Do not pre order from them. Just buy what is in stock.
>>> www.mobileplanet.com
>>>
>>> Mobile City Online.
>>> www.mobilecityonline.com
>>>
>>> Popular Electronics
>>> www.popularelect.com
>>>
>>> Signed: Stephen Giggar
>>> sgiggar at sbcglobal.net
>>> Skype: dr-phone.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Keith Christian" <keithchristian at roadrunner.com>
>>> To: "'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'"
>>> <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:03 PM
>>> Subject: RE: New Phone and Service
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Jonathan,
>>>>
>>>> I thought that the N95 was the only phone it ran on.  I'll look 
>>>> into the
>>>> N82 also.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
>>>> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Jonathan Mosen
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 8:52 PM
>>>> To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
>>>> Subject: RE: New Phone and Service
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi keith, if reading documents while on the go is important to you, 
>>>> you may want to consider the N82, which is an awesome phone and for 
>>>> now is the only one that supports the KNFB Reader Mobile.
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
>>>> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of Keith 
>>>> Christian
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2008 12:56 p.m.
>>>> To: 'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'
>>>> Subject: RE: New Phone and Service
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Cingular is offering the N75 for $199 with a 2 year contract.
>>>> Letstalk.com is offering it for $49 with what looks like the same 
>>>> contract. Have any of you had any experience with this phone?  
>>>> Would you consider a different phone and why?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Stephen and others on the list for your advice so far, it 
>>>> has been helpful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
>>>> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Stephen Giggar
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 6:41 AM
>>>> To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
>>>> Subject: Re: New Phone and Service
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Keith
>>>>
>>>> Hear is a list of some of the phone that support the 850 and 1900 
>>>> MHZ band from AT&T and these phones are quad band GSM Symbian phones.
>>>> These phone will not be sold by AT&T but will work fine with your 
>>>> existing sim chip from your 6620. These as far as I know are still
being
>> produced.
>>>>
>>>> Nokia.
>>>> 5700 Express Music,
>>>> 6110 Navigator,
>>>> 6120 Classic,
>>>> 6121 Classic,
>>>> 6290,
>>>> E50 dash 1 and E50 dash 2,
>>>> E51,
>>>> E61,
>>>> E61I,
>>>> E65,
>>>> E70 dash 2 (hard to find) unbranded, E90, N73, N76, N80IE, N81, 
>>>> N81-8GB, N82,
>>>> N95 dash 1 (2100 MHZ 3G),
>>>> N95 dash 2 ( 8GB 2100 MHZ 3G)
>>>> N95 dash 3 (USA 3G),
>>>> N95 dash 4 (USA 3g 8GB)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Signed: Stephen Giggar
>>>> sgiggar at sbcglobal.net
>>>> Skype: dr-phone.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Keith Christian" <keithchristian at roadrunner.com>
>>>> To: "'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'"
>>>> <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:12 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: New Phone and Service
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your reply.  You mention many of the reasons why I 
>>>>> am investigating a new phone and possibly a new provider.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a list of the 20 Symbian phones that may be of interest?  
>>>>> I use a PACMate and it would be really cool to use the Braille 
>>>>> display for sending text messages and browsing the internet, if 
>>>>> that is possible. If I can upgrade my Talks for less than buying 
>>>>> Mobile Speak that would certainly be a consideration.
>>>>>
>>>>> I appreciate all the advice, thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
>>>>> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>>> Stephen Giggar
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 2:20 PM
>>>>> To: The Accessible Phones Discussion List
>>>>> Subject: Re: New Phone and Service
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Keith
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a hard question to answer and their is no correct answer.
>>>>> Being you already have Talks; You may want to stay with what you 
>>>>> already have as far as the screen reader. As far as a phone; You 
>>>>> could get the N75 from At&T and keep your existing plan and sign 
>>>>> up
>>>>>
>>>> for
>>>>
>>>>> another two year contract to
>>>>> get the phone cheaper. Or you can buy a different phone not 
>>>>> carried by
>>>>>
>>>>> AT&T and have many more choices of phone to use and not just the 
>>>>> one Symbian based phone that
>>>>>
>>>> is
>>>>
>>>>> still being made by Nokia
>>>>> and sold by AT&T.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would suggest that you buy the phone out side of AT&T and just 
>>>>> moving your existing Sim card from the 6620 to the new phone and 
>>>>> buying a Talks license transfer from a Talks dealer. This would 
>>>>> give you.
>>>>> 1. A unlocked phone.
>>>>> 2. A unbranded phone that works better.
>>>>> 3. Doesn't have any of the AT&T stuff on it as far as shareware or 
>>>>> floatware or any other stuff to slow down the phone.
>>>>> 4. Getting the phone as Nokia atended it to be put out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also by doing it this way; You will not be required to sign a new 
>>>>> contract and can switch cell providers when ever you like and use 
>>>>> the new phone on that network.
>>>>>
>>>>> This will also give you the ability to choose from a good 20 plus 
>>>>> Symbian Nokia phones that support the 850 and 1900 MHZ bands that 
>>>>> AT&T
>>>>>
>>>>> uses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Remember; All Symbian series 60 3rd Edition phones will work with 
>>>>> either Talks or MobileSpeak. And both screen readers will give you 
>>>>> a 30 day trial license on request. That away you can trial both 
>>>>> screen readers and see what one gives you the needed information 
>>>>> you require and what functions you use.
>>>>>
>>>>> Their is no one best screen reader for most phones. It comes down 
>>>>> to how you use it and what you want to do with the screen reader.
>>>>>
>>>>> Signed: Stephen Giggar
>>>>> sgiggar at sbcglobal.net
>>>>> Skype: dr-phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Cy Selfridge" <cselfridge at sbcglobal.net>
>>>>> To: "'The Accessible Phones Discussion List'"
>>>>> <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 1:13 PM
>>>>> Subject: RE: New Phone and Service
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Keith,
>>>>>> I believe you are talking about www.letstalk.com Now, as I 
>>>>>> understand it, AT&T (Cingular) now will (should) offer you a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nokia N75 with the Mobile Speak. They should charge you $89 for 
>>>>>> the mobile speak and I think I saw the N75 from AT&T for $99? 
>>>>>> Now, (okay Stephen, step in here) I also think they will have one 
>>>>>> of their Windows based phones with the Microsoft version of 
>>>>>> Mobile Speak as well. Currently the Microsoft version of Mobile 
>>>>>> Speak is, in my opinion, a better deal because you can swap 
>>>>>> phones, upgrade phones or
>>>>>>
>>>>>> whatever *without* a charge. This is *not* currently true for the 
>>>>>> Symbian versions of Mobile Speak. HTH, Cy, the ancient Okie...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com
>>>>>> [mailto:blindphones-bounces at mosenexplosion.com] On Behalf Of 
>>>>>> Keith Christian
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:52 AM
>>>>>> To: blindphones at mosenexplosion.com
>>>>>> Subject: New Phone and Service
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My cell contract is up and I would like to upgrade my phone and 
>>>>>> possibly service.  Currently, I have a Nokia 6620 with Talks.
>>>>>> Cingular is my service provider.  We get 500 minutes  a month for 
>>>>>> $60
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (two phones).  It seems like there was a web site that offered 
>>>>>> great deals on phones and service, but I don't recall the name.
>>>>>> Anyone have
>>>>>>
>>>>>> recommendations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you can recommend some phones to check out and if Talks is 
>>>>>> still a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> better screen reader, let me know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keith
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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