Nokia N82 First Impressions

[golden]

yeah, i'm joining you Chris and others to suggest to Nuance to give due 
consideration to office accessibility in their next release of talks. i'm 
someone who likes to continue doing work even on the go. i'm pretty sure 
there are so many of you like me  out there. pocket PCs running MobileSpeak 
pocket maybe the right solution  but how many of us can afford it?

since most of us are running mobile phones with its growing trend of 
becoming more and more pact with PDA features, this aspect of accessibility 
sure worth due priority.

so, Nuance, we'd like to have this as your newyear gift for us in your next 
release.

may i humbly apologise for my broken English as i'm not a native speker of 
the language

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Chaltain" <cchaltain at austin.rr.com>
To: "The Accessible Phones Discussion List" <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 9:18 PM
Subject: Re: Nokia N82 First Impressions


Again, another good post from Stephen that I couldn't have said better
myself! :-) I will though, humbly, add just a few things! ;-) I agree
golden it is a step backwards. I also had access to MS Office documents,
both for reading and editing, on my Nokia 9290 Communicator. Although
it's a step backwards for us, it isn't clear that it's the fault of the
Talks developers. I suspect that either the applications you and I
remember from our Communicators weren't QuickOffice or that QuickOffice
changed significantly from that version to the current versions (i.e.
QuickOffice 4.5 and 5.0) which are currently available. In addition to
the work that may be required by the Talks developers, the QuickOffice
developers may also have to get involved, which would again take time
and effort from the Talks developers. I suspect it's not unlike what had
to happen before Java applications became somewhat accessible on the
desktop.

I think we need to keep asking for this feature, from Talks and
QuickOffice, but as Stephen said, this will have to be prioritized with
everything else on their to do list. For example, I have a Nokia N75,
and as much as I'd like to see the front panel start working with Talks,
I'd rather have access to QuickOffice. I suspect though that accessing
the front panel of the N75 is a much less challenging task than working
with QuickOffice.

It seems like our other option would be to use a Windows Mobile device
with a screen reader from Mobile Speak or Hal. I'm assuming these screen
readers work with the version of MS Office ported to the Windows Mobile
platform.

Stephen Giggar wrote:
> golden
>
> You are forgetting the 9500 is a very old phone now days. You are also 
> forgetting that software
> changes and this is true for Quick Office and Talks and MobileSpeak as 
> well. Again the screen reader
> makers have higher priorities then to get Quick Office working. IE their 
> first or one of their first
> priorities is to make the newer phones work with the basic programs so 
> that people have access to
> the phones to start with. Then after that; They can go back and add other 
> programs to work with.
> Example: MobileSpeak just added the ability for their screen reader to 
> work with the built in TTS
> that are on all 3rd Edition phones. Talks has added the ability for you to 
> use the web menu option
> for 3rd Edition phones. This is different then the services wap browser.
>
> So as you can see; The screen reader makers are trying to give people 
> access to the software that
> most people would be able to take advance of.
>
> Then on top of that; The screen reader makers have to take in mind what 
> people want and try to
> prioritize what is going to get worked on and when. Then while this is 
> going on; They have to try to
> keep up with any bug reports and try to figure out if it is a problem with 
> the user doing things
> incorrectly, the phone going bad or if it is a problem with the screen 
> reader or software that a
> user may have put on the phone to start with or settings a user may have 
> changed that caused a
> problem.
>
> So saying all of that! <smile> I'm certain QuickOffice to make it work is 
> on the list and will be
> gotten to in it's own time. Just that their are higher priorities.
>
> Signed: Stephen Giggar
> sgiggar at sbcglobal.net
> Skype: dr-phone.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "golden" <golden789 at gmail.com>
> To: "The Accessible Phones Discussion List" 
> <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 11:51 AM
> Subject: Re: Nokia N82 First Impressions
>
>
> hi Chris
>
> but i remember talks works reasonably well with office on cummunicator 
> 9500
> running series 80 though.
> i once had a chance to test it on my friend's phone and my first 
> impression
> was positive. i could share word and excel documents between my pc/laptop
> and the communicator wirelessly via bluetooth enabling me to resume my 
> work
> even when travelling.
>
> regretably, this is not so with office on my E65. yes, i can transfer word
> and excel and even powerpoint documents to the phone but unfortunately 
> talks
> would fail me miserably. it wouldn't read anything other than the titles 
> of
> the documents.
> i'm seeing this as a step backward when office should become more and more
> accessible IN THE NEW RELEASE OF TALKS
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Christopher Chaltain" <cchaltain at austin.rr.com>
> To: "The Accessible Phones Discussion List" 
> <blindphones at mosenexplosion.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 11:26 AM
> Subject: Nokia N82 First Impressions
>
>
> I was waiting for someone else to answer, but I haven't seen a response.
> Here's what I've found out.
>
> First, it doesn't look like the N82 ships with QuickOffice, even the
> free viewer. I'm basing this on my review of the N82's specifications. I
> don't have an N82 myself, and I could obviously be wrong about this. It
> was my impression though that the N Series of Nokia phones would include
> the free QuickOffice viewer.
>
> Second, it appears that QuickOffice will work on the N82. It's listed on
> quickOffice's web site as a supported phone. I'm not able to find the
> free viewer for download anywhere though. I'm sure it used to exist,
> since I installed it on my Nokia N75 a little while ago. Maybe the free
> viewer was removed when QuickOffice 5.0 came out recently.
>
> Finally, as I've posted in earlier messages, Talks--and I assume Mobile
> Speak--don't work with QuickOffice 4.5, and according to the
> representative I talked to at QuickOffice, it would be a few versions
> before QuickOffice worked with Talks. I haven't been able to test
> QuickOffice 5.0, since I don't see a free trial. Therefore, whether the
> N82 supports QuickOffice or not would be irrelevant if you're a Talks 
> user.
>
> If anyone has any additional information, I'd be interested!
>
> golden wrote:
>
>> does it also support quick office such as word, sheet and presentation?
>> thanks
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Jonathan Mosen <mailto:jmosen at mosen.org>
>> *To:* blindphones at googlegroups.com
>> <mailto:blindphones at googlegroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 21, 2007 11:20 AM
>> *Subject:* Nokia N82 First Impressions
>>
>> I received my Nokia N82 yesterday, so for those who are
>> considering this phone, here are just a few thoughts. There are
>> really well written, comprehensive reviews of all that this phone,
>> which is a smaller, improved N95, can do, so I won’t duplicate all
>> of that here.
>>
>> But in brief, it has a 5 MP camera, GPS receiver, FM radio, HSDPA,
>> and all the features you would expect from Symbian Third Edition.
>>
>> I loaded Mobile Speak onto the phone and was able to use Nokia’s
>> very cool Switch application to transfer contacts, notes,
>> bookmarks, calendar items, call history and other items directly
>> from my Nokia E61I. Nokia really have done a nice job with this,
>> just pair the two phones, select what you want copied across, and
>> leave it alone for a few minutes. Nothing could be simpler.
>>
>> You can definitely feel the fast processor in this tiny candy-bar
>> style phone. The phone boots up in about 20% of the time it takes
>> the E61I to load, quite staggering. Applications load really quickly.
>>
>> As someone who has not used a Series 60 Feature Pac 1 phone
>> before, it’s necessary to get used to the fact that submenu items
>> can now also contain submenus under them. For example, when you go
>> into the Tools menu, there is now a submenu available called
>> utilities.
>>
>> Truphone have just released an N82-compatible version, so for
>> those of you who use this brilliant service, you’re not out of
>> luck. Call quality is very good, and they have just extended their
>> free calls deal until the end of February, meaning you can call
>> numbers in over 40 countries for no cost at all. A good thing for
>> getting in touch with family and friends over the holidays.
>>
>> But the main purpose for writing this is to offer a blindness
>> perspective on the keypad. I was a little apprehensive about this
>> phone, because the reviews are mixed on the keypad. Firstly, the
>> actual number pad is one of the most clearly spaced Nokia phones I
>> have seen. The buttons feel quite unconventional, but they are
>> very widely spaced and well raised. The ability to feel these keys
>> is far better than my first Symbian phone, the 6600, and indeed
>> the 6630.
>>
>> Beyond the number pad is quite a different story though. On the
>> extreme left and right of the unit’s front are two very tiny
>> vertical strips that are your call and end keys. Next to the call
>> key is a large rectangular key that feels as if it’s a single key.
>> It isn’t. Pressing the top of the key activates the left soft key,
>> and the bottom of the key is the feature key, known in most phones
>> as the menu key.
>>
>> The five-way key in the middle is very similar to that found on
>> the 6630. It feels like a single key which you press in whatever
>> direction you want to navigate, with the select button in the
>> middle. I have found on a few occasions that I have navigated up
>> or down when I wanted to press select, but I suspect I’ll get used
>> to it in time.
>>
>> On the right of the five-way key is what feels like a single
>> button with a raised dot in the middle. Actually these are three
>> keys. The top part activates the right soft key, the middle part
>> with the dot is serving as Mobile Speak’s key and I actually don’t
>> know what function this key performs normally. The bottom part of
>> the key is the clear key.
>>
>> So from a blindness perspective, this is a phone of contrasts,
>> with very nicely pronounced number pad buttons, and function keys
>> that may cause issues for those with dexterity issues or whose
>> finger sensitivity has been diminished due to diabetes. If you
>> don’t have an issue with dexterity though, this phone’s
>> performance, form factor and feature set are very hard to beat.
>>
>> Note to US readers though, that this phone does not support the US
>> 3G frequencies. Although it is a quad band phone for voice, and
>> will therefore work on any GSM network, it only supports the
>> NON-US 3G, as well as HSDPA, sometimes known as 3.5 G. We have
>> this here in New Zealand and data is coming down at a ridiculously
>> fast pace for a cell phone.
>>
>> Also a note for talks users that the current released build does
>> not support this phone although a fix is in the works, so Mobile
>> Speak is the only screen reader that currently works with it.
>>
>> Hope this helps anyone considering the N82.
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>>
>>
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